Sorry to be so dogmatic about my demands. You are very welcome to tell me your opinion. You of course may share your opinions, if you like. : )
What I care about most of all is what God thinks. I am more concerned with the truth, rather than what perhaps a majority of people think or say. Disturbingly often, what the majority thinks is dead wrong. Some atheists claim that Christians believe that we are all born bad. If you don’t believe me, see for yourself- see Photographer’s answer to a previous question I asked:
I partially agree with what he said at the very end. He should have clarified his statement. Because although some Christians believe that we are born bad, not all of us do. I do not. Is saying that we have a sinful nature the same precise thing as saying that we are all, therefore, born bad?
I do NOT believe that unbaptized babies go to hell if they die. Some people claim that Christians (or at least some Christians) believe that unbaptized babies are sent to hell when they die. Some of them claim that it says this in the Bible. Not true at all. It doesn’t say that anywhere in the Bible. I defy you find me the passage where it says that all unbaptized babies are sent to hell when they die. A baby is as innocent as a person can possibly be. I am not sure that we are ever totally, completely innocent- but that does not mean that we are bad just because we lose our innocence when we fall from grace. It is a foregone conclusion. We do eventually sin, and this makes us lose our innocence. But a baby has no concept of good and evil or sin. A baby is therefore innocent. The God I know and love would never send an unbaptized baby’s soul to hell just because it was not baptized. That would be cruel and sadistic. A baby cannot possibly comprehend such a complex subject as faith or baptism. A baby cannot possibly even understand right from wrong. So once again, in this regard and others, a baby is as innocent as a human being can be.
So basing God’s view on our nature, does God say that we are all born bad? Again, does it mean that we are all born bad because we are born into a sinful nature? If we are all born into a sinful nature, why should we frown upon that, because if that is true that we are born into it, it’s something that is past forever beyond our control.
Agree or disagree?
I think that theory hangs on the supposition that baptism keeps us from going to hell. Baptism isn’t what saves anyone. And you’re right, babies don’t have any clue what’s going on, God knows that.
But this is gonna open up the ‘well aren’t we better off doing abortions then because they go to heaven’ debate. No, we have no right to kill the innocent.
No human is born “bad” as in the sense of wickedness or propensity to sin, though some are born with a prophetic destiny to become wicked, like Judas, who betrayed Jesus, then compounded his sin with suicide.
Such a big topic, one whole books discuss! The issue with God is one of righteousness, or “right-standing” with God. All born with Adam’s blood in them are born unrighteous because of what Adam did, bringing the curse of two deaths upon all of us. Jesus alone was born free of Adam’s curse, but submitted to both a physical death and spiritual death by taking all of it upon Himself, going all the way into Hell for all who would believe on Him. The curse is no longer, except those rejecting Christ, remaining in the old deficient standing of fallen man before the righteous God.
There isn’t time or space here to get into the why of it all. For the sake of an answer to your specific question, please assume you have read Romans 5 and understand it. Your answer is all over that chapter. The curse is imputed to all people. Adam’s sin was that serious! He cursed all his offspring, but not the seed of the woman. Adam bore the responsibility. Aside from that sin in the garden, there is no record of another sin. Since God had not given other than the one law of the Garden, he couldn’t sin again. You read it right. It was impossible to sin a different sin since a law of God is required to define a sin. Adam had the one law not to eat of the one tree, and violated it. Having known God personally, without excuse, he chose to follow leadership from Satan through his wife, who was deceived. Adam was not deceived.
No human is born to sin, and we are not given a “sin nature”. There’s no such “nature” by birth described in the Bible. We are each simply born with a “dead” spirit, corrupted just enough to separate us from God in His holiness because of Adam’s curse, and are each appointed once to die physically, not having access to the fruit of the Tree of Life. Many people seek some remedy through some religion, mere attempts to approach God while yet unrighteous in ourselves, and lead lives fairly devoid of a sin lifestyle. But the Just God can’t allow good works to replace righteousness, a positional requirement. The righteousness He requires of men is that of Jesus when He was walking the Earth as a man. The only biblical way to break out of the situation is to be “in Christ” through faith in Jesus’ works (the gospel of Christ), thereby having righteousness imputed (put upon) us.
One man, Adam, started the mess, and one man, Jesus, ended the problem for all His followers.
We are all born with a time to die. We die because we are born. Sin brought us death.
We are not born bad, we are born sinners. Sinners have been given the death penalty.
David had a child that was near death. He prayed and fasted and covered himself with ashes and asked God to save the child. The child died and David got up cleaned himself up and asked for food. The servants did not understand and asked him about it. David said that he asked God to spare the child’s life, but now that the child has died, he knows that he is in heaven.
The Bible tells us that children go to heaven. They are not held accountable for sin. But all will die because of sin.
God died for us.
The truth is that Jesus likes babes and little children and tells us to become like them if we want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Saying that we are born bad is pointing the finger and laying blame for our mistakes elsewhere instead of taking responsibility for our own actions. It clearly is not biblical.
We are all born in sin but a very young child child is not held accountable until he hears and understands God’s Word.
Why? God created Us…IF we were born sinful, that would mean that God is sinful…
God is sinless, We are born sinless.
I hope this help. This is the BA, thank you!
Seriously, nobody is going to read all that. No, we are not born bad, you have to learn everything.
There is no right answer. As each generation of philosophers comes forward, new ideas are put forward, so many new ideas that it is technically impossible to distinguish between the right and the wrong. So, is man born inherently good or bad? You decide.
Bad is relative. One man’s bad is another man’s good.
And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Children are innocent and the concept of ‘original sin’ is something I reject. we are judged on out own actions, and a child who dies is put into gods care, not ‘hell’
We are born innocent. We are all born with the ability to do evil. We are not responsible until we are old enough to know good from evil.